They are considerable smaller than the original bullet. So why is it appealing, why wouldn't you just go with the . If you need that power for hunting fine, pay the ammo cost. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you'll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. I figured out what went wrong. What's new. At press time it was $4.99 for a box of 50, or $90.99 for 1000 rounds. . If your potential cartridge use is high, then you should go for the cheapest cartridge available. Lots of ammo variations possible from FMJ, Hollow Point, Ballistic Tip and more. The .17 HMR caliber has slightly less bullet drop from 150-175 yards than the .22 WMR. Try a cz if you can great for the money and a trigger upgrade is cheap and easy to sort out. The 10/22 M has been discontinued. The "By-product" will be that a 10/22 will shoot much better with whatever barrel you hang off the front of it, or ammo you put in it. The chamber pressure and cartridge overall length are exactly the same as the .22 WMR, so any firearm that can be chambered for that cartridge can also be chambered for the .17 HMR. The problem with the 10/22 conversion to 17HM2 is the 10/22 is too crude for the fast pressure spike of the 17HM2 cartridge. I'm thinking of picking up a 17hmr pistol at some point in the foreseeable future. A lighter trigger gives you greater control and enables you to shoot better groups. The .22LR is a 50 yard gun, the .22 Magnum a 100 yard gun, and the .17 HMR as a 200 yard gun. Dec 14, 2008 #9 N Even a high velocity .22 round can do this.`The bolt speed needs to be slowed down to what it was with a 22 round. Its trajectory is flat! Grab it while you can. If I were to come across a cheap used Weaver V-16 (4x16 variable) I would buy it and put it on my Rifle. I am thinking about purchasing a new rifle for Christmas. Good luck with what ever you choose. It's much easier to find 17hmr currently but 17hm2 is becoming more and more available. The STI 10/22 trigger has an 8 oz first stage take up. 17 HMR vs 22 LR Trajectory. #1. Other than that, HM2 really only fills an extremely niche market within the rimfire community and there aren't even many firearms that can use the rare cartridge. The blow-back semi-automatic Ruger 10/22 needed more bolt mass to time its fire, eject, and rechamber cycle to work right with this faster shooting 17 HM2 round. Unfortunately, I am to late. But to answer the OPs question you can shoot a 22WRF in a 22 . You can only shoot what is clearly stamped on the receiver or barrel of a rifle or pistol. Don't risk it. The Mach 2 propels the same 17gr V-Max bullet as the 17 HMR, but the Mach 2 runs about 16% slower 2100 fps vs. 2500 for the 17 HMR. I also have a Ruger #1 re barreled with a Lilja barrel in 17 Fire Ball that does the same from 100 out. hollow point (filled with polycarbonate) boat tail bullet with a 0.172" diameter and delivers a muzzle velocity of about 2550 fps (depending on the barrel length). I am no scientist I can't tell you why. By Kimberly Madelon. round. The rifle I'll put it on is a threaded 10/22 for shooting critters from my porch (invasive collared doves and California ground squirrels). If you insist on semiauto, you're practically limited to .22LR. All it take is one uninformed salesperson to ruin someone else's day. Basically, the purpose of a two-stage trigger is to divide pull weight into two separate actions, thereby effectively lowering your trigger pull weight. Buffalo's Outdoors. As for meat damage head shot's out to 150yds are possible. The biggest advantage of the 17 Mach 2 is by far velocity (about 2100 fps), but you can get high end .22 LR velocity up in the range of 1600 fps with CCI's 32 grain Stinger. Propelling a 17-grain .17 caliber V-Max bullet at about 2,050 fps from a rifle, the .17M2 shoots flatter than the .22LR but not quite as flat as the .17HMR. Flat shooting means more accuracy at further ranges. Minute of very-small varmint! The original Model 1 .22 LR rimfire rifle has been modified over the years and reached its zenith with the 455.. He is happy with the conversion he performed. Based on the CCI stinger case, the .17Mach2 is a step up from the .22LR and a step down from the 17HMR performance-wise. Compared to a .22LR, the .17 HM2 crushes it in every category but price per box. New posts Search forums. Chenango Co. NY. The .17 HMR is based on the .22 WMR case necked down to accept .172" bullets. It was supplied with a tungsten bolt. While it might not be the top choice, a .22 is better for self defense than no gun at all. The 22lr shoots half inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards with the most friendly ammo and the hm2 shots quarter inch groups with the most friendly ammo. Jeremy (WI) Apr 26, 2014 #14 butchlambert said: Other than that, HM2 really only fills an extremely niche market within the rimfire community and there aren't even many firearms that can use the rare cartridge. but for the price of ammo you can shoot .223 almost. To clarify BIGDAVE54. You'll kill more if you can reach out further with a flatter shooter. Had a friend that made up a bunch of 80% receivers that were set up to take the 22LR, 17HMR2, 22Mag, and 17HMR. The .17 HMR is generally well liked for varmint hunting. If you only have 1 rimfire, it ought to be a .22LR. I had .17 HMRs in my .22 Magnum magazine of my Marlin model 882 22 mag rifle. The Sako Quad comes in a hard case with four interchangeable barrels: .22 LR, .22 Mag, .17 Hm2 and .17 HMR. Ron V. wrote:The most common route to perform a conversion for the project you are intending to do is to first start with a Ruger 10/22M (.22 mag) and not a regular 10/22 (.22 lr).The 10/22M utilizes a steel receiver (with integral scope base) instead of aluminum alloy as what used for the 10/22. For a round no longer than a .22 LR, the .17 HM2 has the potential velocity of around 2000 fps out of a rifle. The only .17 caliber barrel I can find is for HMR made for the 10/22 magnum receivers. A17 HM2. so I'd say it's a pretty feisty little firearm. Vudoo Gun Works now offers V-22 action rifles chambered for the 17 Hornady Mach 2 (aka 17 HM2) rimfire cartridge. 22 LR is still lethal on small varmints out to 100 yards but at that range, it becomes difficult to land hits due to drop in ballistics. The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. I'm wondering if there is another bolt action rifle I should consider. Save If anyone finds one for sale, please send me a message. The blow-back semi-automatic Ruger 10/22 needs more bolt mass to time its fire, eject, and rechamber cycle to work right with this faster shooting 17 HM2 round. Given .22s are easier to shoot, they can deliver this pain multiple times. The HMR is too much for squirrel. For areas requiring lead-free ammunition . Here's the data for comparison: 50 yds. You can now get 50 rounds of CCI 17 Mach 2 for just $6.55 at Midsouth. I did a bit of research today and found out that Ruger did have a .22 WMR model of the 10/22 that could easily be converted to 17HMR. Hornady manufactures two .17 Mach 2 loads. Ballistically, there's no contest between the . The A17 is an inexpensive target/varmint rifle. Only show this user. . With a 10/22M, the conversion is essentially a drop-in replacement conversion (simple barrel swap . The noise level on the 17 HM2 is noticeably less than with the 17 HMR and would be an advantage in areas where low noise is important." Shooting @ >2000fps, it still is a flatter shooting round than .22LR and .22mag. The Ruger KMKIII817 pistol features a stainless steel frame, 8-inch stainless steel fluted heavy barrel, checkered cocobolo thumbrest . Save Share. First, there's the traditional 17-grain V-Max bullet at 2100 fps, which, when zeroed at 100 yards, drops 14 inches at 200. Hand loads are in the future with a bit more horse power. If your barrel and chamber can't shoot with the Hornady .17 V-Max bullet that means you can't use half the ammo on the market today. I got 17HMR and 17 HM2 rifles when they first came out. HEAD shots only under 125 yards only.And with 20gr jacketed bullets. The .17 Mach 2 is close enough in size to the .22 LR that the standard 10/22 magazine will accommodate the smaller cartridge. I need a .17 caliber barrel for my standard 10/22 receiver to shoot 17 mach2. The .17 Hornady Mach 2, or .17 HM2, is a rimfire cartridge introduced in 2004 by the ammunition manufacturer Hornady, following the successful launch in 2002 of the .17 HMR.The .17 HM2 is based on the .22 Long Rifle "Stinger" case, necked down to .17 caliber (4.5 mm) and using a bullet weighing less than half the weight of a typical .22 Long Rifle bullet. YouTube. The .17 HM2 is the .22 LR Stinger case necked down for a .172-inch bullet weighing 17 grains and with a ballistic coefficient of .125. Ammunition for the .17 HMR comes in at least nine different flavors. ER Shaw Custom Gun Barrels offers a .17 Aguila/PMC barrel for the Ruger 10/22 or 77/22 rifle which will allow you to shoot the Aguila/PMC round out of your Ruger with just a barrel swap. The fore stock has dual sling swivels for the use of a bipod and a sling and is flattened for use with a bag. "Because you don't have a long 40-gr. Now, while the WSM needs just a touch of holdover at two-hundy, the HMR needs some careful attention out . YouTube. The only real advantage that HM2 has over .17 HMR is the relative cost with HM2 originally being several cents cheaper. Kimber and a few others chambered pistols in that caliber as well. Here's How It Worked: The 17 Hornady Mach 2 (HM2) is a 17 caliber version of the 22 LR rimfire cartridge. The entire fore and aft ends are covered with a raised texture for gripping with the hand or a bag. Considering that 17 HMR ammo costs $10 to $15 a box, the 17 Mach 2 is an excellent value by comparison. A crow may explode at 50 yards, but over 100 yards the wing . The semiauto's bolt must move at the right speed and momentum to extract the empty case. . It is much more recomended to conver a ruger 10/22M to 17 hmr but very expensive. It kicks a 40gr bullet out at 1,400ft/sec and can produce 1.5" groups at 100yds. It shoots a heck of a lot faster and flatter, however. Forums. They sat on shelves a long time around here. . I have used the .17 Rem mag on coyote out to 350 yards with great success. Like 22WMR, on which the 17 HMR is based, the 17HMR ammo is outrageously expensive compared to 22LR and 17HM2. "See, this side is well roasted; turn me on the other and eat." St. Lawrence March 28th, 2012, 08:39 AM #5 Pizza Bob Super Member Join Date I figured out what went wrong. Being the HM2 rounds are much shorter, it will not fire correctly in any gun chambered for HMR, bolt action or not. C. If you're going to hunt them without a dog, I'd look for a .17 HM2. Reply. MSRP: $379 Savage A17 HM2 $347 at Palmetto State Armory Vudoo Gun Works Raven When only the best will do, there's Vudoo. The most recent ad I have seen for one is dated Feb. 2008. In a custom . So, the cost difference is negligible for these cartridges. Reply. 100 yds. The 10/22 M has been discontinued. Ruger's Mark III pistol chambered for the Hornady .17 Mach 2 (HM2) rimfire cartridge propels a 17-grain bullet at an average velocity of 1,800 fps. The Ruger KMKIII817 pistol features a stainless steel frame, 8-inch stainless steel fluted heavy barrel, checkered cocobolo thumbrest . Target shooting the 17HM2 works fine and you can do some small game hunting too. He did put the project on hold to enjoy raising his 3 daughters. New Offering from Hornady. The .17 Mach 2 is clearly much faster than the fastest .22 LR Hyper Velocity load. New posts New media New media comments Latest activity. Much of that can be attributed to the velocity of the of the .17 HMR 17 grain bullet which is the fastest of the four compared here at a velocity of 2,550 (FPS). The muzzle energy of the .17M2's 17-grain bullet (166 ft-lbs) is 18 percent greater than a 40-grain .22 LR (140 ft-lbs). Re: Ruger 10/22 .17HM2 Conversion? Basically, the purpose of a two-stage trigger is to divide pull weight into two separate actions, thereby effectively lowering your trigger pull weight. Jun 23, 2017. You would be much better served from a practical viewpoint by a 22 WMR. November 7, 2019. The problem with the conversion is getting the timing right. Kinetic Energy Energy, a measure of the "work" of which the bullet is capable, is an important component in killing power. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. I did a bit of research today and found out that Ruger did have a .22 WMR model of the 10/22 that could easily be converted to 17HMR. Slamfires and OOB discharges are apparently common. Still many people have already shot the .17 HM2 from an otherwise stock 10/22, and done it successfully. The advantage of the .17 for most of us is accuracy and flat shooting. But I don't remember who. I hope he gets back to this project. Buffalo's Outdoors. The 17 HM2 is sited in at 90 Yds and the 17 HMR is sited in at 110 Yds. It doesn't kill as well as a HMR, hit as hard as a 22 mag, it is more accurate than a 22lr, but the ammo is expensive comparatively and scarce. .22 ammo cost equivalent to HM2 ammo is pretty good, but you still have the option of cheap plinker ammo, an option not availble to shooters of .17s. Introducing the A17 17 HM2 to the Savage semi-automatic A Series. 2 may be in college now. Let's just cut straight to the point: you're looking at 17 HMR to see if it's worth the extra cost for the increase in distance. September 24, 2010 By kimberly madelon. Retail pricing for the VNT load is $10.95 for a 50-round pack. And yes it can be handloaded into 17 HM2 territory. Never been much of a fan of the round in a rifle (doesn't do anything my 22wmr doesn't do). you want cheaper buy a darn .22 long rifle that is capable of shooting long's and short's . The 17hmr and the 17 hm2 cant be switched in any gun ever . That's an extra 40 yards of non-adjusted range. If you want to shoot 22lr buy a rifle chambered for it. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. Thread starter Si-snipe; Start date Feb 28, 2014; S. Si-snipe Well-Known Member. The 17HMR costs 20 cents only, whereas 17 WSM costs 30 cents. The higher pressures of the M2 is what causes the blowouts on the case head. Price is about $0.18 per round. The .22 will most certainly cause pain, which can be decisive in stopping an attack. A lighter trigger gives you greater control and enables you to shoot better groups. The 17 Mach 2 runs 2010-2100 FPS, making it much more potent than the .22 LR for varminting. I think that the .22 LR is all the short to medium range varmint control that I will ever need. The A17 HM2 works, is inexpensive and can be made very accurate by glass bedding action to stock. Why does . Unfortunately, I am to late. I dont remember exactly what involved, but you will perminantly mame your gun. Thoughts and feedback would be interesting. After shooting well over a 1,000 prairie dogs with the two rifles I limit my shots to 125 yards with the 17 HM2 and 150 yards with the 17 HMR. Unless this is a very recent addition that no one has heard about and everyone wants. Shooting unrested he can shoot one ragged hole at 10 yards. Works great. Ruger's Mark III pistol chambered for the Hornady .17 Mach 2 (HM2) rimfire cartridge propels a 17-grain bullet at an average velocity of 1,800 fps. By Kimberly Madelon. I can tell you the 17 HMR is effected by the wind more than any other caliber other than a 22 cal pellet rifle. If anyone finds one for sale, please send me a message. Unless I had a ground shot, I would have no business firing a .17 HMR up into the trees, to land who knows where. Other, less expensive, ammo can be bought for only $0 . At one time someone sold a rifle that came with 4 barrels for 22lr, 22 mag, 17 HMR and 17 HM2. I can hit them at longer ranges but I wont clean kills. For a $300 plinker or small-game getter, Savage's A17 in .17 HM2 is a fantastic little rifle. Save Share. Weight (lb)/ (kg) 5.7 / 2.59. It dont matter what type of gun you try to use the cartridges are not by any means interchangeable ! It shoots a heck of a lot faster and flatter, however (click Data at left). However I love handgun hunting small game, and the 17hmr from a pistol barrel looks like a different animal, and I have seen some . You risk damaging the gun at least, with it blowing up a very real possibility. In fact, the .17 HM2's powder charge is significantly heavier than that of a 22 LR. Zeroed at 100 yards, the .17M2 has only a 0.7-inch mid-range rise at 50 yards; a .22 LR has a 2.9-inch rise. He is extremely happy with this ammunition. Compare 22lr Muzzle Velocity and 22lr Muzzle Energy on the 22lr Ballistics Chart! The stock has a 13.8 length of pull and is non-adjustable. A ground squirrel is in real danger to 125 yards, perhaps more with good optics and a trained shooter. The .17 Mach II is a shorter round and the bullet would not be in the bore when the round is chambered. The 17 WSM is more expensive between 17 HMR and 17 WSM. 22 LR is heavier and much slower than 17 HMR. Manufacturers of barrels and guns figured this out years ago and do not offer these conversion barrels, nor is there . If you are only going to have one go for .17hmr, better range and close to flat shooting. Along with the added speed, the 17 Mach 2 is also much flatter shooting than the .22 LR, making it more fun to use past 150 yards. I would recomend you go and spend $250-300 and just buy a savage or marlin SS . Iv'e used both .22lr and .17hmr. Aim small, miss small. The 17 HM2 and 17 HMR are Cooper 57M LVT rifles with Leupold scopes. This is an experiment gun for 100 and under (back yard) coyotes as I will shoot it with the 25 gr HP Hornady factory stuff for now. The .17 bullet is jacketed unlike a .22 LR. Two cartridges that look vastly different. The muzzle energy is 245 ft-lb and with a 1-10 . . CZ 457 Royal .17 HMR. . I have had and used all three on ground hogs. Using a 20-grain bullet loaded in both cartridges you'll find the .17 WSM with a V-Max bullet hits 4.10 inches low at 200 yards, while the .17 HMR loaded with a 20-grain XTP hollowpoint hits just under 10 inches low at the same distance. . Many converted 10/22 suffer excessive head space which leads to blown cases, and the subsequent jams. The only "con" with this rifle is the trigger, which doesn't live up to the famous AccuTrigger name.